Suikoden Topic

[VampiricDragon_]

I am sick of people saying "its not suikoden"

people dont remember that after 2 every suikoden didnt get the greatest reaction from fans or critics


They tried something new, and quite honestly it worked out for them, which is why we are even getting a new one at all

The one on the psp could rival 1 and 2 as the best ever.

[Ashtrot]

People are saying that because it's true. The entire concept of Suikoden is that it takes place in a consistent world with a fully fleshed out history, and making a game out of that continuity undermines the original intent. There's no doubt that Tierkreis has many of the same themes and concepts, as I've said, but even then it can be considered part of the main Suikoden series anyway, because even its name lends credence to the widely accepted notion that it is, at best, a spin off

And it COULD be better, but you don't know. Quit it with your "ZOMG EVERYONE HERE IS WRONG" mentality, please, especially for games that haven't even been released yet. I plan on getting this game but I'm not putting any carts before horses.

[VampiricDragon_]

Just because the concept has changed doesnt mean it isnt suikoden. It means they are taking suikoden and trying to do different things

I didnt say everyone is wrong, I just dont get the hate and venom is all.

Ive pretty much watched all the gameplay footage for the new game, and honestly. Its suikoden VI without them naming it as such. Probably a good thing

[Ashtrot]

They didn't name it Suikoden VI.

Hence, it is not.

I bet you also watch gameplay footage of games you hate and proclaim about how much you hate them.

[VampiricDragon_]

I basically call it the wink wink suikoden vi. Testing the waters to see if people still crave the series like they did in the old days

"I bet you also watch gameplay footage of games you hate and proclaim about how much you hate them."

usually not before I try them. I try not to be too negative without first hand experience

[Ashtrot]

It is what it is. I don't consider it Suikoden VI any more than I considered Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy VIII when it was released despite being an awesome game.

[VampiricDragon_]

Well tactics was a sub series with completely different gameplay ie classic turn base vs strategy turn base


suikoden psp,not everything is the same but it isnt a genre change

[Ashtrot]

You're missing the point.

Suikoden PSP is still a subseries despite your objections. The console it's on, the fanbase reaction, hell, even the name marks it as a subseries. I'm a huge Suiko-whore (probably the biggest anywhere) and I consider it a subseries. Can it be good? Yes. Is it a mainline game? No.

[VampiricDragon_]

I agree with you. Its not a main game in title. But I am saying if they wanted it to be, it could be.

Fan reaction is of little importance when it comes to this series because people just complain about it constantly with every entry.


Konami cant win with this fanbase

[Ashtrot]

Fan reaction is only important when it supports your particular viewpoint?

[VampiricDragon_]

People where complaining, there wasnt enough suikoden. Now some people are complaining a new suikoden is launching but it isnt "vi".

I was just saying fan reaction to suikoden over the years has been somewhat insane

[Ashtrot]

Fan reaction over the years to EVERYTHING has been insane. That's why they're called fans. You don't get to cherry pick when it comes to that.

[VampiricDragon_]

It depends, some have been slightly more rational. At least from what Ive experienced.

even going back to growlanser, people want anything they can get like suikoden, but when grownalser IV was announced I didnt see a negative comment anywhere.

Really I guess people are just hopeful it will lead to more games, maybe new ones

[Ashtrot]

Growlanser fans whined about Atlus' reveal(s) over and over, even when it was patently obvious what it was. Some of the most humorless people I've ever seen, that lot.

[VampiricDragon_]

That was different. That was more like atlus usa trolling the fans who already had a rough time in 2010. It was like pouring salt on wounds.

You have to understand the context of that whole thing

1) People have wanted more growlanser since workign designs brought it here

2) Fans on the forum requested VI, requested the first game remake and nothing happened. Then the IV remake came out. It was one of the most requested game suggestions.

3) They dont localize much in the way of rpgs in 2010

4) They start this announcement clue thing, 2 weeks later

Everything leads to growlanser IV, they can taste it and smell it

BOOM Gungir. Your telling me you wouldnt a  little upset?