Suikoden Topic

[Aeolus]

forget the whole thing

We would but you keep posting.

[VampiricDragon_]

lol Im off that topic now

[Dice]

lol Im off that topic now

lol!

[Ashton]

So I got the latest Suikoden. I"m five hours in and it's not looking good. The music is forgettable, the characters are boring, and the story is ridiculous thus far. I suppose there's the possibility it'll pick up if I play some more, but it's really annoying. The graphics are okay, but it seems like unite attacks are nowhere to be seen; the closest I've seen is having 'linked' partners do a normal attack at the same time.

If you're wondering what the story is about, it's basically a 'every 100 years a special form of monster comes to wreak havoc, this time someone is trying to control them.' There's a plot device called the Dynasty Tree that allows the characters to go 100 years to the past, but it has to be the worst plot device ever. As an example, there's this cutscene depicting the death of an important character early in the story. The characters then use the Dynasty Tree to travel to the past to cause a series of events that prevent said character from dying. Five minutes later the character is alive again. WTF? Any and all plot coherence is thrown out the window.

[Aeolus]

So it's a Suikoden game trying to be Chrono Trigger but made by Konami and Tri-Ace who are less like the Dream Team and more like the NY Mets. I mean with the combined brain powers behind MGS and SO you're basically guaranteed total plot incoherency from the start.

Also the multiple characters pulling off normal attacks at the same time was something both of the PSX games pulled regularly with no real fanfare involved; and then there were unite attacks and combination rune spells in addition to that.

[KC_MCDOHL]

Anyway, the fact of the matter is Konami are in no position to tackle a main series Suikoden at this present moment in time so the fact that they are 'saving it for a better day' shows they still have respect for the series.

If they can't tackle a "main series" Suikoden, why make this one? That makes no sense.

Because Konami are not in a financial position to make a main title Suikoden. Their only hope at present is to make these cheap spin offs and hope to generate enough cash to keep the series alive. The series has never been in the best position and certainly isnt these days. I still say we support this new game, however, by buying it (if released over here of course). Good sales may very well be what gets us a Suikoden VI someday. However, I strongly suggest we make our feelings known to Konami about the future of the Suikoden series.

[Aeolus]

Anyway, the fact of the matter is Konami are in no position to tackle a main series Suikoden at this present moment in time so the fact that they are 'saving it for a better day' shows they still have respect for the series.

If they can't tackle a "main series" Suikoden, why make this one? That makes no sense.

Because Konami are not in a financial position to make a main title Suikoden. Their only hope at present is to make these cheap spin offs and hope to generate enough cash to keep the series alive. The series has never been in the best position and certainly isnt these days. I still say we support this new game, however, by buying it (if released over here of course). Good sales may very well be what gets us a Suikoden VI someday. However, I strongly suggest we make our feelings known to Konami about the future of the Suikoden series.

Love Plus says otherwise.

[Lard]

Because Konami are not in a financial position to make a main title Suikoden. Their only hope at present is to make these cheap spin offs and hope to generate enough cash to keep the series alive. The series has never been in the best position and certainly isnt these days. I still say we support this new game, however, by buying it (if released over here of course). Good sales may very well be what gets us a Suikoden VI someday. However, I strongly suggest we make our feelings known to Konami about the future of the Suikoden series.

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

[Eusis]

So it's a Suikoden game trying to be Chrono Trigger but made by Konami and Tri-Ace who are less like the Dream Team and more like the NY Mets.

But has it ever actually been said that tri-Ace had a hand in development? This was advertised for FFXIII-2 (and in fact for a second my brain ignored Suikoden and thought this was about THAT) and I know they got tri-Ace for Cross Gate because they "lost their RPG know-how", but they could just as easily have gone "fuck it, we're making one anyway." Nevermind the angle that they DID development work but didn't have anything to do with the scenario and other creative aspects, which could've been left fully to Konami.

[Lard]

But has it ever actually been said that tri-Ace had a hand in development? This was advertised for FFXIII-2 (and in fact for a second my brain ignored Suikoden and thought this was about THAT) and I know they got tri-Ace for Cross Gate because they "lost their RPG know-how", but they could just as easily have gone "fuck it, we're making one anyway." Nevermind the angle that they DID development work but didn't have anything to do with the scenario and other creative aspects, which could've been left fully to Konami.

I thought they got Tri-Ace for Suikoden specifically, not Cross Gate.

[KC_MCDOHL]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

[Maxximum]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

"correspondence", man you either got seriously trolled by someone with minimum knowledge of how the internet works or got served from the "can-o-replies". Unless you happen to have some serious backing in the form of running a big enough fan website for anyone to take notice or a wildly popular Youtube channel, then no one in their right mind will talk to you, especially about "internal affairs".

Most of the big publishers and developers are moving on these days. They have their researchers and people who talk abut making profit while pointing to colourful pie-charts and using trendy terms like "synergy".
The only way you'll get a company to take a risk these days is through projects like kickstarter.

[Klyde Chroma]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

"correspondence", man you either got seriously trolled by someone with minimum knowledge of how the internet works or got served from the "can-o-replies". Unless you happen to have some serious backing in the form of running a big enough fan website for anyone to take notice or a wildly popular Youtube channel, then no one in their right mind will talk to you, especially about "internal affairs".

Most of the big publishers and developers are moving on these days. They have their researchers and people who talk abut making profit while pointing to colourful pie-charts and using trendy terms like "synergy".
The only way you'll get a company to take a risk these days is through projects like kickstarter.

Oooooooo!!! Can you imagine a kickstarter-funded suikoden project? I bet for like 50 grand you can be one the 108 stars of destiny!! LoL

[KC_MCDOHL]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

"correspondence", man you either got seriously trolled by someone with minimum knowledge of how the internet works or got served from the "can-o-replies". Unless you happen to have some serious backing in the form of running a big enough fan website for anyone to take notice or a wildly popular Youtube channel, then no one in their right mind will talk to you, especially about "internal affairs".

Most of the big publishers and developers are moving on these days. They have their researchers and people who talk abut making profit while pointing to colourful pie-charts and using trendy terms like "synergy".
The only way you'll get a company to take a risk these days is through projects like kickstarter.

Um ...actualy neither. I have been speaking to many people at Konami or otherwise, relating to Suikoden, for almost 2 years now and have built up quite a good connection base and gathered much useful information. Im still no where near at the sort of level I would like to be with it all but I guess theres only so much one person can do.

I'm currently trying to gather as many people as possible to reach out to Konami, using similar methods, in order to help Konami and Suikoden steer things back on track.

There is a dedicated forum for this here:

http://www.suikosource.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12219

As well as your seemingly original Kickstarter idea, here:

http://www.suikosource.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12812

[Lard]

A kickstarter will never work.