Suikoden Topic

[Lard]

Because Konami are not in a financial position to make a main title Suikoden. Their only hope at present is to make these cheap spin offs and hope to generate enough cash to keep the series alive. The series has never been in the best position and certainly isnt these days. I still say we support this new game, however, by buying it (if released over here of course). Good sales may very well be what gets us a Suikoden VI someday. However, I strongly suggest we make our feelings known to Konami about the future of the Suikoden series.

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

[Eusis]

So it's a Suikoden game trying to be Chrono Trigger but made by Konami and Tri-Ace who are less like the Dream Team and more like the NY Mets.

But has it ever actually been said that tri-Ace had a hand in development? This was advertised for FFXIII-2 (and in fact for a second my brain ignored Suikoden and thought this was about THAT) and I know they got tri-Ace for Cross Gate because they "lost their RPG know-how", but they could just as easily have gone "fuck it, we're making one anyway." Nevermind the angle that they DID development work but didn't have anything to do with the scenario and other creative aspects, which could've been left fully to Konami.

[Lard]

But has it ever actually been said that tri-Ace had a hand in development? This was advertised for FFXIII-2 (and in fact for a second my brain ignored Suikoden and thought this was about THAT) and I know they got tri-Ace for Cross Gate because they "lost their RPG know-how", but they could just as easily have gone "fuck it, we're making one anyway." Nevermind the angle that they DID development work but didn't have anything to do with the scenario and other creative aspects, which could've been left fully to Konami.

I thought they got Tri-Ace for Suikoden specifically, not Cross Gate.

[KC_MCDOHL]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

[Maxximum]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

"correspondence", man you either got seriously trolled by someone with minimum knowledge of how the internet works or got served from the "can-o-replies". Unless you happen to have some serious backing in the form of running a big enough fan website for anyone to take notice or a wildly popular Youtube channel, then no one in their right mind will talk to you, especially about "internal affairs".

Most of the big publishers and developers are moving on these days. They have their researchers and people who talk abut making profit while pointing to colourful pie-charts and using trendy terms like "synergy".
The only way you'll get a company to take a risk these days is through projects like kickstarter.

[Klyde Chroma]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

"correspondence", man you either got seriously trolled by someone with minimum knowledge of how the internet works or got served from the "can-o-replies". Unless you happen to have some serious backing in the form of running a big enough fan website for anyone to take notice or a wildly popular Youtube channel, then no one in their right mind will talk to you, especially about "internal affairs".

Most of the big publishers and developers are moving on these days. They have their researchers and people who talk abut making profit while pointing to colourful pie-charts and using trendy terms like "synergy".
The only way you'll get a company to take a risk these days is through projects like kickstarter.

Oooooooo!!! Can you imagine a kickstarter-funded suikoden project? I bet for like 50 grand you can be one the 108 stars of destiny!! LoL

[KC_MCDOHL]

Judging by their output after Castlevania LOS, they're apparently not in a position to release anything.

Do they even make games any more?

lol so true, they certainly seem to be in a abit of abad position these days. And bogged down with internal politics, according to my correspondences with them :/

"correspondence", man you either got seriously trolled by someone with minimum knowledge of how the internet works or got served from the "can-o-replies". Unless you happen to have some serious backing in the form of running a big enough fan website for anyone to take notice or a wildly popular Youtube channel, then no one in their right mind will talk to you, especially about "internal affairs".

Most of the big publishers and developers are moving on these days. They have their researchers and people who talk abut making profit while pointing to colourful pie-charts and using trendy terms like "synergy".
The only way you'll get a company to take a risk these days is through projects like kickstarter.

Um ...actualy neither. I have been speaking to many people at Konami or otherwise, relating to Suikoden, for almost 2 years now and have built up quite a good connection base and gathered much useful information. Im still no where near at the sort of level I would like to be with it all but I guess theres only so much one person can do.

I'm currently trying to gather as many people as possible to reach out to Konami, using similar methods, in order to help Konami and Suikoden steer things back on track.

There is a dedicated forum for this here:

http://www.suikosource.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12219

As well as your seemingly original Kickstarter idea, here:

http://www.suikosource.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12812

[Lard]

A kickstarter will never work.

[KC_MCDOHL]

Never say never ;)

[Ashtrot]

Lard is right though.

[Eusis]

Never say never ;)

WHY DID YOU BUMP TWO SUIKODEN TOPICS

[Agent D.]

I don't get the Suikoden appreciation. I played through 2 and most of 3, and felt neither was a very strong title given the large amount of old rpgs still out there. The large amount of throw away characters who were impressive in battles always annoyed me. Add to that the music, which in both games there was only 1 track I can remember offhand being tolerable...I never got behind the suikoden bandwagon. Konami has a few franchises that I much prefer to see being cared for over this franchise, so the dissolved suikoden team has no real impact on me.

Now if only Atlus would dissolve its persona team, then we'd be talking business.

[Dice]

Why the fuck isn't Suiko II on PSN??  Is it on Euro PSN at least?? =/
2 and 3 are the only ones I really cared about. Was 1 any good?

But anyways, Japanese developers can't blah blah blah, their quality has gone down and blah blah blah. We'll see where they are in 10 years.

[Annubis]

I'd say 1 is nearly as good as 2.
There aren't that many differences between the two of them, but in general the characters and the system are better refined in the later.

[Maxximum]

I don't get the Suikoden appreciation. I played through 2 and most of 3, and felt neither was a very strong title given the large amount of old rpgs still out there. The large amount of throw away characters who were impressive in battles always annoyed me. Add to that the music, which in both games there was only 1 track I can remember offhand being tolerable...I never got behind the suikoden bandwagon. Konami has a few franchises that I much prefer to see being cared for over this franchise, so the dissolved suikoden team has no real impact on me.

Now if only Atlus would dissolve its persona team, then we'd be talking business.

So you consider Suikoden to be an overrated and mediocre series with bad music, but think SaGa Frontier 1 was a fantastic game?
To each his own I suppose, and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion...but dude, REALLY?

As for the Suikoden team being disbanded. I suppose its better to have the series end on V rather than produce a terrible next gen game like FF did. When jRPGs go full circle and "retro style turn based jRPGs with an overworld" become trendy in mainstream games again, that's when I want to see a new entry.