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« on: June 04, 2010, 07:11:52 PM »

So I like to think that I have versatile taste in music. I rarely take a dislike to songs or albums recommended by my friends and I've never regretted any music I've bought.

But there's one genre I haven't really touched. Metal. Or Rock Metal. Or whatever you call it. So I thought that maybe it's about time I started to explore this kind of music, broaden my horizons.

I'd really, really appreciate it if any of you guys could suggest bands or songs to help kick start my experimental phase this summer?
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2010, 07:56:54 PM »

I don't like much metal myself, thrash or experimental. However, if the Nine Inch Nails count - some of their albums can be pretty heavy. Also a problem I have with a lot of metal bands is their childish fascination clichés like angels and pain. There is very little subtlety in a lot of these bands, not all,  but a lot.

I wish I had a versatile taste because sometimes I worry that I come off an elitist asshole. I don't mean it, it's just when I don't like a band, I hate them. When I like a band, I love them.


EDIT: Oh, and also Trent Reznor produced an album by someone I love, Saul Williams. His is a mix of spoken-word poetry, rap and heavy metal. A VERY exciting act.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 08:33:02 PM »

I always find it hard to recommend bands to a metal n00b, simply because the genre is so diverse.  And the first song you hear from a band tends to make the biggest impression, so it puts a lot of pressure on the one who recommends. :P

The best thing you can do is start with something melodic.  No point in starting off with something off the wall like Finntroll.  Try checking out Iron Maiden and Judas Priest on Youtube.  If you like some of their stuff, and can identify what it is you like, that'll give me something to work with. :P

EDIT:  Actually, when you're dealing with two bands who have had 30+ year careers, you'll probably need a little more guidance than LOL GO TO YOUTUBE. :P

Try these:

Rainmaker (awesome song, but this ain't exactly Maiden's best music video :P)
Metal Gods (this might as well be Priest's theme song; it encapsulates everything they've ever done)

Those are just two examples that came to my mind pretty quickly.  I'm sure somebody else will chime in with others.  Just remember:  nobody listens to metal for the lyrics, so make sure you have a pretty high tolerance for cheesiness. :P
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 11:49:16 PM »

So I checked out those two songs and a bunch of random Iron Maiden songs on Youtube!

Of the Maiden songs I've heard... I may be in love with Moonchild and the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. Rainmaker was fun and so is No Prayer for Dying. Got quite bored with Killers... it just felt too repetitive, or something like that. Didn't get me tapping my feet or anything. Listened to Fear of the Dark as well, it was nice although I think it kind of dwindled badly somewhere towards the end.

Not so sure about my attitude towards the Judas Priest songs. I liked Metal Gods but it didn't get me as excited as the Iron Maiden stuff. Check out "Breaking the Law" but didn't like it much.

Will post more as I traverse Youtube. :P

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2010, 08:54:41 AM »

If you liked Moonchild and Seventh Son, you might as well pick up a copy of "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son", because both those songs are on it. :P  That's a solid album from start to finish, and would serve you well as a introduction to Maiden and metal in general.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2010, 10:54:23 AM »

Here is some stuff.
Judas Priest is one of my favorite bands but British Steel is one their worst albums besides Point Of Entry.

Judas Priest

Beyond The Realms Of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60Mo_Nmydg

Tyrant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQH8RnaU5YU

The Sentinel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcpJBkRHcCU

Rock Hard Ride Free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mae5Ght8iBA

Saints In Hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2I3kUnGY3Q

Dreamer Deceiver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HgHWZVKWXs

Ram It Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MP212PluA

Deal With The Devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crn_B9OFOaw

Hot For Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD3stnCApbY

Killing Machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIt60Q2dLi4

Scorpions  -Hard Rock/Metal

Hour 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ4EsWYF9w8

Lifes Like A River
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQkaeUHA5v8

Virgin Killer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBqhlKGMmt0

321
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKCuKj-e5ds

Your Light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrFC7QBpim4

No Pain No Gain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1A0CfnTP-g


Helloween -a bit like Priest/Maiden

Sole Survivor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUrTH8XQXZI

If I Knew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGv6zavHECY

Don't Spit On My Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-bu7N-qaXA

Secret Alibi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSuoUBZ1go

Future World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9h3jRaZyB4

some hard rock

UFO   
Aint No Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxxsev-5gME

High Flyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7B45udUGNU

On With The Action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQUOTevj23E

Serenity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DZrNpgZOm4

Doctor Doctor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C2M0YXhmyg


Uriah Heep

Sunrise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXymJj6nMs

July Morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcyH49_J1wc

Look At Yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMmOIuQvREc

Lady In Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaqnyFmbshM

Spider Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeOUu5CNu9k
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2010, 04:58:23 PM »

Maiden's a great place to start. They define a less violent and more fun side of classic metal. They know when to laugh at themselves, but at the same time, create killer music. In the end, I believe that all metal is about the instrumental music. The vocals are just another instrument, and the lyrics are usually terrible, because they're really not important. Seventh Son is probably my favorite album by them, it combines basic power metal (that's what maiden are classified as) with a bit of synthesizers to become a bit like progmetal.

Speaking of prog metal, that may also be a good place to start because it's usually the most musically centric sub-genre, without all the assholic violent attitudes that developed in thrash. Prog metal tends to combine 90s metal with 70s brittish classic rock like The Who, Pink Floyd, Yes, and the like. And if you like Seventh Son, you're pretty much most of the way there anyway. Check out Dream Theater for some really good genre-blending progmetal, they practically created/coined the genre. I recommend the albums "Images and Words" and "Awake" to start off with.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2010, 02:34:13 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions (and links!) guys. :-)

Will definitely check out Dream Theater and probably Helloween. I got a copy of the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son album and have been listening to it all evening!
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 02:36:54 PM »

I guess I'll just throw a few examples of a couple different genres and bands. It's a sunday morning and I'm bored so that's my excuse for so many examples.

Traditonal Metal

Judas Priest - I'll just add one song to the list posted and that's Cathedral Spires: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MijOujb9GFI

Ronnie James Dio (Most of these are live)

Don't Talk to Strangers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwX8yF8k0ls
The Man on the Silver Mountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOyFE-1LAI0
Strange Highways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un2Yh1z8ZCg
The Last in Line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6URlmeUpk

Motorhead

Eat the Rich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyFkjBRrbo
Rock Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4b3MBkOx5k
R.A.M.O.N.E.S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyKlvVPpxo8

King Diamond

Heads on the Wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVxO6QLW60I
Blood to Walk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AquNcHVafE
So Sad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1sd2Ab5AY


Power Metal

Blind Guardian

Journey Through the Dark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N117aqVkA0
Bright Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTFTVen094
Fly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdAoEn0SIJs

Iced Earth

Diary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QWqInQxhYY
Vengeance is Mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvY3CtFes8
The Thousand Strong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x82mPcpBByM
Dracula (Amazing song, the youtube video I linked is dumb though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj5JSYiNrcc

Demons and Wizards (Guitarist from Iced Earth, vocalist from Blind Guardian)

Fiddler on the Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMx0YkeTFQ
Down Where I Am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whplzcMp3P8
Beneath These Waves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y7ntWf_5uo
The Whistler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCa2OpCBGrI

Gamma Ray

Last Before The Storm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZEX9jQ66xI
Dethrone Tyranny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOS0ax8RBrw
It's a Sin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsfHFy30CuM
To the Metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WdCOXVNBg

Lost Horizon

Welcome Back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4RZwNBTjqs
Denial of Fate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrfQHjf7_88
Sworn in the Metal Wind (possibly the best power metal song ever)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tev4R4g45Y

I'm stopping here for power metal, other good bands though are Sonata Arctica, Nightwish, Hammerfall and Stratovarius

Thrash

Anthrax

Madhouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGHsxMqpL0c
Anti-Social
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t0affoV5rI
Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vMbmIhyKk
What Doesn't Die
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI83RFPXw5s

Testament

More Than Meets the Eye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09rHDabBQfA
Burnt Offerings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc-I2F8ofxQ
Into the Pit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYJXNLxSsA

Sodom

City of God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa6cINHLqRc
Agent Orange
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V9WVz9yFt0
Napalm in yhe Morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKda5V2Te6c

Kreator

Violent Revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR7xBj0bDD8
Hordes of Chaos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZHhEQfzc5s
Bretrayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAs_4yZsAI


Folk Metal


Skyclad (My favorite band)

Building a Ruin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsTOEKKNHAU
Little Miss Take
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdsyO0ornQ
The Widdershins Jig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SdKjGVn2Cs
Still Spinning Shrapnel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deVqBWlS1I
Postcard From Planet Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6yzuvWGtFw
Great Blow for a Day Job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKBV2W6YIHg

Elvenking

The Loser's Ball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_vPfXb9Uc
The Regality Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C_fgCAcfjw
Disappearing Sands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFjO0EBVZJw
On the Morning Dew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzuXVH7FrWg
The Winter Wake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2pP4eg280I
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 05:45:56 PM »

I got a copy of the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son album and have been listening to it all evening!


Cool. You might also really enjoy Somewhere In Time the one before Seventh Son listen to some clips or samples.

Seventh Son is probably my 2nd favorite Maiden album. My personal favorite is The X Factor which isn't all that popular and doesn't have Dickinson on vocals.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 10:59:55 PM »

I always was a hip hop kid until I started playing guitar when I was about 13. The first real metal bands I ever really got into were Sleep, Slayer, Bolt Thrower, Devourment, and Wolves in the Throne Room. But before then I sort of got weened into the whole loud-aggressive-music thing by bands like Boris, At the Drive-In, Refused, Converge and such. All bands mentioned in this post are f'ing awesome btw.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 10:57:32 PM »

About Iron Maiden and Judas Priest- how accurate is this song in terms of style and historical fact?  It's an homage of sorts:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A27umOnOc4

lyrics below:
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What happened to Bruce, Eddie, and Paul?
Paul and Eddie had it good
But Paul loved his cocaine and Eddie hated punks
So after a couple years
Eddie broke it off with Paul to look for a new man

Paul got fucked, fucked by Steve
Eddie’s at the Red Lion looking for a new steed
Searching for a beau who sings in falsetto

What happened to Bruce, Eddie, and Paul?
What happened to Eddie, Paul, and Bruce?
Bruce and Samson knew
Eddie was looking for a long term, stable relationship
With Paul no longer around,
Bruce left Samson for Eddie cuz Steve convinced him to

Kudos to Paul, fuck you Bruce
How you supposed to rock ‘n’ roll without substance abuse
Number of the Beast is in bed with Rob and Judas Priest


edit: oh what the hell, have some of The Exploited http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN6TXY3WC4Y&feature=related
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