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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2010, 08:09:28 PM »

But it is charity.  Charity isn't just about giving to those less fortunate, it's about giving with no expectation of any return, which is what those girls were doing, and in that sense learning.  There is a great lesson in there which is just simply the act of giving.  Will it branch over into other aspects of their lives?  Who knows, but there's something there and that writer completely bastardized it.

But they aren't giving something they earned away. They don't understand it at all. That's the whole point of the article. If they got jobs, used it to buy lemonade, and gave all their earnings away, that would be charity. Letting girls give away lemonade their parents paid for is not the same.

Edit: And that is the parallel the article was trying to make. You guys are taking the story way too literally. Jesus christ. The point isn't actually about the little girls. Aren't some of you writers and journalists?
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2010, 08:29:27 PM »

oh no, they're terrorists set on destroying us all.
it's just a way for those girls to see people happy and even if their parents bought stuff for lemonade and candy bars, they still deserve credit for standing outside on a (presumably) hot day and sacrificing time to do that.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2010, 08:36:12 PM »

I get the idea the author was trying to make, I just felt it was not a good basis. Kids make lemonade stands for various reasons. Most common thought is that the kids want to profit, or like starmongoose says, they could just be playing shop. I see it as the kids being good-willed who wanted to provide thirsty folks some refreshments out of their generosity. I don't find anything wrong with that, as long as they do learn at some point about the facts of life. Until than, it's not like their good will is going to kill anyone.
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2010, 09:02:53 PM »

tl;dr

What? What? What? No. Just no. I need to go drink some free lemonade now.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2010, 09:40:04 PM »

But it is charity.  Charity isn't just about giving to those less fortunate, it's about giving with no expectation of any return, which is what those girls were doing, and in that sense learning.  There is a great lesson in there which is just simply the act of giving.  Will it branch over into other aspects of their lives?  Who knows, but there's something there and that writer completely bastardized it.

But they aren't giving something they earned away. They don't understand it at all. That's the whole point of the article. If they got jobs, used it to buy lemonade, and gave all their earnings away, that would be charity. Letting girls give away lemonade their parents paid for is not the same.

Edit: And that is the parallel the article was trying to make. You guys are taking the story way too literally. Jesus christ. The point isn't actually about the little girls. Aren't some of you writers and journalists?

How do you know the little girls didn't earn it?  That is just an assumption.  Just because they didn't buy it with their own money doesn't mean they didn't do something else to earn it.  Also, not everyone "earns" what they give, that doesn't make it any less charitable.  Charity isn't about that, it's just about giving.

The other thing, the point is obnoxious precisely because they are using something as sweet and innocent as a group of little girls giving away free lemonade to make it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2010, 09:43:56 PM »

Everyone is assuming the parents bought everything. How do we know that? How do you know these kids don't have allowances, do extra chores around the house for a few extra $ and buy the stuff themselves? My brother, though not giving his lemonade/juice/iced tea away for free, buys the stuff himself, makes it, sells it, keeps his own profit. For all we know, it could have been an extra hot day, and the 'free' aspect of it could have been a one-time thing. Or.. it was a one-time thing altogether. I get what the writer is trying to say but I think there's too much assumption on her part, especially for something as minor as a lemonade stand.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2010, 10:22:18 PM »

Oh god. Now we're under the assumption that mere children were these altruistic angels. And you guys still continue to focus on a child-centric focus of the article.

I'll summarize it for you: America is going to shit because someone has to pay for those free government handouts.

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"Kids are bad for giving away lemonade"
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2010, 10:38:55 PM »

No one is calling these children altruistic angels.  Her point is ridiculous because government handouts and little girls giving away free lemonade isn't the same freaking thing, the fact that she even drew that parallel is absurd and makes her entire article/argument ridiculous.
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2010, 05:00:29 AM »

Just because she has a "good point" (Read: It's actually not a good point because the story she tells doesn't segway into her actual opinion in any meaningful way) doesn't change the fact that the article was shit. She reminds me of the people who always use Nazis/Hitler as a reference point because they're not well-educated enough to use other examples.

+1 on her being a whiny asshole. She's a lot like the people who feel the need to get a soapbox about people saying "Merry Christmas" to people that arn't Christian.

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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2010, 09:21:26 AM »

Only in America, is all I could think.  Not sure if you run into this kind of thing where you live Dice, but this is the kind of thing I don't think you would ever see in Canada. Maybe because we already get a lot for free from the government, especially if you're aboriginal. But where I live, what these girls are doing strikes me as something that would make it to the local paper for how cute it is. Finally I agree that what she is trying to convey by example makes no parallel to her "real" argument. Also, they're kids for christ's sake.
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2010, 09:46:24 AM »

Wow. I actually agree with Thoren on this one. It seemed to me that no one was getting the real point of the article. That the kids are giving away for free what was paid for by someone else. Yes, we CAN assume this, as I imagine most lemonade stands involve kids raiding the cupboards for whatever is available to sell.
I also agree with Nuri on the definition of charity. IMO, charity involves giving to those who can't do it for themselves. Otherwise, it's simply a nice thing to do for another person. Heck, most people stopping to buy the lemonade probably aren't even thirsty. They are the ones being charitable by humoring the enterprising children.
Most kids setting up a lemonade stand are not doing it out of the kindness of their little hearts. They want to make some money. I know I did when I was a kid.
All that being said, it was a bit of a stretch for her to get to the point of the article from the initial story.
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2010, 09:52:10 AM »

I'll concede that the author has a point, but the article completely missed the point and she still comes off as a bitch. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2010, 01:26:15 PM »

I think everyone gets the 'point', GrimReality.  That doesn't mean we either agree with it or think that the article does anything to prove that point.

The article is completely worthless, whether the point is valid or not.  There is no logical connection between the example and the point, just a bunch of inane ranting.
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2010, 01:37:10 PM »

Kevadu said it.


Her article was unnecessarily aggressive and her point was just basic common sense. 

It's the equivalent of writing an article about seeing someone sharing a chocolate bar and then accusing them of being socialists.
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 02:08:37 PM »

Look at it this way, the article may be inane and bitchy, but it has all of you reading and discussing it long after you got the main point. So perhaps it can be considered successful?
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