Okay im gonna give my takes on this ordeal as the events unfolded:
-Metroid Other M mention:
-Ikusagami makes a good general point about character's personalities but his ignorance of Metroid Other M's situation creates a hole in his argument.
-Starmongoose displays his disappointment in Metroid Other M's portrayal of Samus.
-Annubis brings up a solid point about how character's actions can speak as loudly as their dialogue in defense of Super Metroid's Samus Portrayal.
-Elegance shows a new perspective that combine's both Annubis and Ikusagami's points.
-Ikusagami brings up the point that gender is irrelevant in most video game characters, which is generally a good point aswell.
-Dice criticizes Other M's inconsistency with previous portrayals of the character(which seems to be justified.) and also criticizes many vydia games in general for portraying women with a lot of stereotypes or simply doing a poor attempt at representing strong women(Princess Peach, Zelda, whatever).(which also is a fine point but at the same time men are also portrayed with stereotypes in games (Dudebros, dumb muscle guys...) and nobody mentioned that.).
-Kevadu's usual snarkyness.
-Starmongoose brings up feminism because?! Nobody had said feminist opinions were inherently wrong and nobody had even mentioned Feminism, people were just having a nice discussion with valid points on both sides and this was unfairly antagonistic towards people debating with Dice... (Im sorry man, I like you a lot but that wasnt a very well thought reply).
-MeshGearFox weighs in with relevant information to solidify how Other M's portrayal is inconsistent.
-Ikusagami accepts that maybe Other M's criticisms are in fact justified and then at the same time gives a real life example of how maybe Samus is the way she is in Other M towards her captain or whoever, also brings up the Riddley situation that makes for a valid point in other M's defense.
-Dice ignores what Ikusagami said just because he quoted Kristen Stewart.
-Annubis somewhat agrees with Ikusagami but brings up how it is still inconsistent with previous encounters with Ridley.
-Ikusagami exploits Dice's poor behaviour by making a snarky comment on how he will post memes instead of debating.
-Dice finally tears the quote apart by raising some good questions instead of posting memes and then remarks how important to her Samus was as a character, criticizing Ikusagami's point of how gender is irrelevant and how Samus being a girl is fanservice using Samus herself as an example alongside her own interpretation of the character.(A Solid Rebuttal I might add.). Dice calls out Ikusagami for generalizing Women with his lady friend example.
Up until this point, neither seems to be winning the race, Ikusagami's worst nightmare was using Other M as an example since it doesnt seem to be a very good one and at the same time we saw a lot of different perspectives on gender importance in video game characters(neither were right or wrong, both parties were bringing up generally good points imo.)
-Ikusagami clears up Dice's missinterpretation of his intentions by pointing out that people IRL are inconsistent and that even strong men or strong women can have their weaknesses in general. He also acknowledges the validity of some of Dice's points and makes some remarks about how genders interact with culture and socially learned behaviour.
-Based on Starmongooses mentioning of feminism Mechrobot says how involving political stances in video games is sucking the joy out of them.
-Dice posts some more stuff on feminism in rebuttal of what Mechrobot said, Dice acknowledges how she was too agressive towards Ikusagami and I quote "I'm sorry for my misunderstands and appreciate the feedback and response."(an honourable response I might add), then proceeds to clear up her stance on Other M by stating exactly what bothered her in regards to Samus's portrayal.
-Elegance chimes in with a good critique of EXTREME and this word is key, EXTREME feminist stances, it doesnt apply to anyone in the forums it was just a general remark.
-Tomara says how she liked the mysterious aspect of Samus's character and how Other M ruined that characteristic.
-Ikusagami makes a mostly bad and poorly worded post which could be very missinterpreted and criticized in many ways.
After this the shit storm begins and the discussion completely derails, ad hominems, missunderstandings through the roof, overreactions ETC ETC.(God shuts down the thread and rightly so)
Back at the Haps thread:
- Holykael1 foolishly tries to play Diplomat by establishing his neutrality and trying to show how both sides were having wrong attitudes towards the debate in order to make peace but instead generates more animosity and agressiveness and then takes some flack by what I think was a missunderstanding of his intentions.
The shitstorm continues
- Holykael1 makes this post to prove his point about how this debate turned into a dick measuring contest.(basically people attacking each other instead of discussing the actual subject matter.
I love you guys so please dont hate me for not taking sides and being 100% honest with my feelings, feel free to tear my post apart if you think Im in the wrong. This is just my take on it and I have a huge headache after making this post.