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« on: October 19, 2010, 12:48:46 AM »

http://kotaku.com/5666462/young-idol-date-scandal-ends-in-resignation-tears

Thoughts??

I find it almost ironic with how it's handled in North America...
Furthermore, isn't it kind of ironic that girls need to "look" pure and innocent (or be "killed off" so to speak) by the same fans who probably jerk off to their image?
I think we've all fantasized about a married Hollywood starlette or thought them attractive, but certainly never "raged" at their hook ups.

But I wonder your thoughts on this, RPGfan!

Other relevant links:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/08/06/aya-hirano-fans-rage-at-betrayal/
Famous voice actress admits she likes/sleeps with older men

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/09/21/idolmaster-fans-vent-rage-we-have-lost-our-innocence/
Idol Master, popular NamcoBandai series, announces in it's 2nd installment to not include sme of the pop-star case and replace it with a boy band (scroll down, see the punched wall)

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/08/18/star-idol-fired-over-underage-sex-lolicon-outrage/
Another AKB48 (ex) idol tale who was taken from it due to "having a boyfriend"

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/11/15/cuckolded-otaku-desecrates-kannagi-over-virginity-issue/
Fans of Kannagi anime series destroy novels when alleged cases of the character (repeat, character) may be "second-hand" good.... aka for normies, not a virgin and have had a boyfriend.
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 01:11:03 AM »

Dice is better looking than all those baka girls
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 01:12:08 AM »

I've never trusted Kotaku or Sankaku Complex very much. They both tend to paint caricatures or only take extreme examples.

For the idol thing though...I guess if it's some sort of "rule" that they can't have a boyfriend, it's similar to following the rules of a sport. I don't really agree with it, but I suppose I understand.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 01:15:21 AM »

I've never trusted Kotaku or Sankaku Complex very much. They both tend to paint caricatures or only take extreme examples.

For the idol thing though...I guess if it's some sort of "rule" that they can't have a boyfriend, it's similar to following the rules of a sport. I don't really agree with it, but I suppose I understand.

Mmm - try to see the question in a broader sense then, especially in regards to other countries and nations.  Narrow to the demographic that DO take this seriously (consider how network execs ASK these girls to remain boyfriendless - clearly it IS a big deal in Japan, and doubtfully a small fraction and minority).
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 01:44:44 AM »

Hmm, not sure what you're looking for, but I guess I'll try.

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Furthermore, isn't it kind of ironic that girls need to "look" pure and innocent (or be "killed off" so to speak) by the same fans who probably jerk off to their image?

Not really. Like the article says, it's all about the illusion. If you know less about their personal lives, it's a blank slate for you to fantasize in rather than you having to delete what's already there to do that. It's the idea that *you* are the one to take what hasn't been taken.

It's not like "pureness" and virginity are only important concepts in Japanese culture. I've had many, many friends who insist that their first sexual experience should be with a virgin. Some are even more specific in their wants, like they want a shaved girl, etc. It's not as big a deal as you get older, of course, but plenty of adults still hold virginity as something sacred because it's an idiotic line of thought that has been passed down for thousands of years.

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(consider how network execs ASK these girls to remain boyfriendless - clearly it IS a big deal in Japan, and doubtfully a small fraction and minority)

I'm led to think that it's more about avoiding outcries from the very vocal minorities. Even one of your links shows the Amazon otakus trolling, which has about 100 1-star votes (not a whole lot). Why piss off the hardcore fans if you can avoid it?

There's also the possibility that this "news" report is refusing to acknowledge that it might be a controversy over other factors, such as him being old enough to be her dad, and possibly married (He does at least have a daughter).

EDIT: While I don't think there's anything really going on there (Though she's pretty naive/stupid to do something like that and think anybody's going to believe her), I still think that if she knew what she was getting into when she became an idol, then there's nothing "unfair" about this situation.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 03:31:18 AM »

Hathen basically said everything I was thinking. So I won't bother restating it. Though we obviously have different view points about virginity.

But Sankaku Complex should never been taken seriously as a news site. It likes to report the facts and twist them: much like a stereotypical tabloid.

The idol 'thing' boils down to the obsession the target audience (mostly lonely men) having with the idea of innocence. The eroge industry in Japan almost entirely focuses on it too. If you've ever played one, or probably ever seen a few images from one, it should be fairly obvious that 99% of the girls you can date and "fall in love" with are virgins, never had a boyfriend etc. etc. If they have been in a previous romantic relationship there is usually some tragic, soap-opera style explanation for why it came to an end so that you feel bad for the girl.

The men who focus on an idol or love playing these games become enraptured with this idea of what their perfect women is. Assuming you've looked at Sankaku Complex before I'm sure you've seen comments like, "3D disgusting pig" or the debate between whether 3D or 2D girls are better. So, if they really think they love one of these idols, then it's heartbreaking for them to hear things that go against what they possibly truly believed about them. One of the reasons why these Japanese men say they prefer 2D girls, because nothing like this would ever "betray them". On that note, have you ever heard of Love Plus for DS?

I don't know where the original obsession with innocence stems from (whether it is historical, religious or otherwise), but it is continually forced down the willing throats of the target audience of idols and eroges. The irony is that this innocence is not commonplace in Japan anyway. Without a religious backing for virginity like many western countries have (from Christianity, mainly) there are few in the main-stream that would consider it something to be kept for marriage or similar. Prostitution and 'escort' services (known as health delivery over there) are rife and often involve under-age girls.

As for the idol in the first article, I again agree with Hathen. She knew what she was getting into when she started so I don't really feel bad for her.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 08:22:27 AM »

I've never trusted Kotaku or Sankaku Complex very much. They both tend to paint caricatures or only take extreme examples.

Sorry, but the Kannagi thing is very VERY real. She got the blunt of the 2chan army (a superior 4chan army)
The author received:
- blackmail
- death threats
- phone calls of protest
- blog spammed

She weirdly also fell ill for almost a full year after this. People still now wonder if that was connected (depression) or not.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 08:36:53 AM »

Like I said, extreme examples. I didn't say none of their articles are true, I just think they report some incredibly superfluous things (using 2ch of all things as a source), and when they're not doing that, they report downright false information completely pulled out of their ass.

Pretty much what FR said:

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It likes to report the facts and twist them: much like a stereotypical tabloid.

Except he's sugarcoating it. They are a tabloid. That's exactly what they are. The garbage they post is at the same level, possibly even lower.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 03:33:40 PM »

Celebrity obsession is a waste of time.  Of course, there is that cultural sense of honor in Japan regarding stepping down in shame.  That would never happen in America.  We're pretty shameless in the land of Jerry Springer. 

As for the purity thing, I know that for US television networks like Disney and Nickelodeon, their stars are under contract to maintain a squeaky clean image off-screen since impressionable kids watch their shows.  It's pretty much curtains if a young star on Nick or Disney violates that contract. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 09:27:54 PM »

Celebrity obsession is a waste of time.  Of course, there is that cultural sense of honor in Japan regarding stepping down in shame.  That would never happen in America.  We're pretty shameless in the land of Jerry Springer. 

As for the purity thing, I know that for US television networks like Disney and Nickelodeon, their stars are under contract to maintain a squeaky clean image off-screen since impressionable kids watch their shows.  It's pretty much curtains if a young star on Nick or Disney violates that contract. 

Are you sure about that?

Miley cyrus has had tons of scandals.

Vanessa hudgens has the same.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 09:46:36 PM »

Fuck Celebrity Culture. Especially in the USA. Jesus christ, stop watching American Idol and Dancing with the Stars people. These celebrities are not one of you. They are the rich and upper class elite, while your grovel on your boxes and only empower them with your worship. Fucking America.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 09:52:23 PM »

Wow, I actually agree with Thoren.

Not to insult your whole culture, but GAWD U.S. celebrities are disgusting.
I'd rather saw my **** off than spend the night with Paris Hilton.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 10:10:28 PM »

I wouldn't mind people being crazy, stalker, psycho bitch over someone if they at least stayed with that one person over a longer course of time. People like Madonna and Micheal Jackson ,who have had huge fanbases for ages. Instead I'm constantly subjected to this bloody new person that I've never heard of nearly every single week, while their predecessors are completely forgotten from public memory.

I hate having to hear about the new big thing, the constant rotation of brainless, soulless puppets wheeled out to distract people from any other, probably more meaningful, piece of information. Then it just gets worse when not only are people salivating over talentless morons, they also get worked up in their personal and/or sex lives. As if they have ANYTHING to do with it. Then eventually when brainless moron's lover does something stupid, they become cause célèbre and take the place of their once-famous-but-not-any-longer ex.

Then there's the whole culture of building these people up to near God-like status only to have the pleasure of ripping them down. And they LOVE it. The fucking public eats that shit up. They want to see the people who have everything torn down into nothing, in a childish powerplay to make their own fragile ego's seem relevant and needed. We want our celebrities dead. Preferably.
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