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« on: February 12, 2011, 02:25:19 PM »

I really like RPGs that offer puzzles and/or subgames (minigames etc) on a regular basis. But I haven't come across that many games that actually do that, so a few suggestions on what to buy would be appreciated.

A few pointers:
- I own a PS3, Xbox 360, PS2, Xbox, SNES and a pc. My current pc is not that quick, but I'll soon be buying a new one - not a pc meant for gaming, but I guess it will be powerful enough to play most recent games. But please don't hesitate to recommend games on other platforms as well, since if I don't own the platform I'll just put the game on a list for future reference.
- I play both western-style RPGs and JRPGs.
- It doesn't matter if the games are old or recent
- Regarding subgames, I'm not that much into card games, board games, etc, but I guess games with more than one subgame within that category could be fun to play.
- Besides the puzzles/subgames, the recommended games should (of course) be solid games overall.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 02:42:23 PM »

Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts 2, Lufia 2. If you had a GBA I'd suggest Golden Sun

Question: Does Dragon Quest 8 have any sub-games? Or Grandia?
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 03:22:21 PM »

Grandia does not. Dragon Quest VIII has a casino and monster fights (meaning your monsters fight other monsters) if I remember correctly...
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 04:17:20 PM »

No, Grandia has a deck mopping thing when traveling to the new world.

... Yeah, that can't be on the level anyone's actively seeking out.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 04:21:17 PM »

FF X is the one that comes to mind, but I can't really think of any other.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 05:05:45 PM »

The Xenosaga series is actually quite good for puzzles.  Nothing really hard, but they're frequent and keep things interesting.  Not as much for minigames except for that arcade game thing in the third one, which was actually pretty fun.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 05:11:27 PM »

Wild Arms 3-5 (and 1 & 2 on PSN)
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 05:36:20 PM »

You will love every minute of Lufia 2 and Alundra. Wild ARMs 1-5, Valkyrie Profile 1-2, and Brave Fencer Musashi are also worth looking into.

If you can tolerate an average RPG experience, Brave Lord for the SNES has a ton of great puzzles.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 11:00:30 PM »

Super Mario RPG. Absolutely.

Also, for newer RPGs, Blue Dragon has a few.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 11:45:42 PM »

If you can tolerate an average RPG experience, Brave Lord for the SNES has a ton of great puzzles.

I take it you mean Brain Lord?
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 01:55:41 AM »

What kind of puzzles are in the wild arms games? Are they block pushers?
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 03:17:13 AM »

What kind of puzzles are in the wild arms games? Are they block pushers?

Every kind.  Blocks being a major side quest of the 3rd title (where you match same colours, but there's easy risks to not finish it "properly").  Tools in the game are given to each character for the sole purpose of solving dungeon puzzles.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 10:53:05 AM »

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FFX's minigame mostly annoyed me :(

Also ACF was a lot less puzzley than the original WA1 from what I remember. Basically ACF is weird and I would avoid it. They add a lot, but they take away about as much as they add, and I'm not sure they new additions matter, because some of them are based out of really questionable design decisions from WA2 and 3.

Basically you should try looking for Zelda-like games. They generally have that kind of stuff. Alundra was mentioned as was Ookami. Landstalker for the Sega Genesis was pretty sweet too although some people hate it (except they don't count because seriously they're just haters and haters gonna hate, you know?)

I don't know how puzzley and minigamey Valkyrie Profile really is but I think you'd probably like it based on your interests.

Does anyone else wish CT had more minigames and puzzles throughout, a la the millennial fair?

Majorly Your Mileage May Vary, but Omikron is sort of neat. Tho i'd recommend the PC version because it has the stupidest fucking save system and you can find various hack and cheats to deal with it on the PC.

Puzzle Quest might work although I doubt that's the kind of puzzles you're talking about :P Also the randomness started getting to me in that. SPEAKING of DS games, though, Rocket Slime is short but pretty nifty

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Ultima games don't have a lot of minigames but they are pretty puzzle-oriented. Especially 6 and 7, although really from 4 onwards a huge part of the games involved a lot of clue gathering and solving NPC-oriented puzzles.

Also Quest for Glory 2 VGA which is an adventure/RPG hybrid and pretty much one of the best games I've ever played and also freeware. There are little minigames to raise your stats, a nice battle system, lots of puzzles from being part adventure game (and different character classes have access to different solutions which is *awesome*). http://www.agdinteractive.com/games/qfg2/

BAT 2: The Koshan Conspiray would also probably work although I never got anywhere in it. I know it's basically an adventure game with lots of minigames and RPGish elements.

Space Rangers 2: Reboot. LESS RPGish, but it still has more stats than your typical space trader. Not a lot of puzzles. TONS of minigames, though. Text adventure missions, RTS missions, and arcade game-y missions. And the main space trader portion of the game has a ton of things going on.

You'd probably also dig Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters. Also freeware. Less RPGish, more adventure-ish, lots of puzzles, sort of minigamish. Read up about the time limit though. And don't use the remixed music or the 3DO music, they suck. http://sc2.sourceforge.net/

There's also God of Thunder http://www.adeptsoftware.com/got/

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 11:41:23 AM »

Quintessence: The Blighted Venom for PC fits the bill.  Each new "act" features a new type of mini-game or puzzle that basically replaces the standard gameplay for those scenes.   http://www.freebirdgames.com/quintessence.html .  It's also free, but Freebird Games' very next project was/is a commercial game, if that helps put things into perspective.

Since I bought Last Rebellion (PS3) for $20, I might as well mention that its battle system is a mini-game itself.  Instead of simply picking an enemy to attack, you have to pick body parts to attack in a certain order.  You have to make educated guesses as to what that order is, which is why it's a mini-game.

At risk of twisting anything and everything into mini-game status, Resonance of Fate (PS3) has a puzzle grid for a world map, and learning to balance scratch damage with direct damage is kind of a sub-game... at the very least, the bonus shots have you timing button presses as a spinner spins.

I can't tell if RoF is just one battle system and I'm dismantling it, or if it really is a combination of several sub-games.  Before I know it I'll be calling item management in Final Fantasy a mini-game.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 09:37:26 PM »

Thanks a lot for the suggestions.

I've now looked into some of the games I didn't know about (or only knew a little about), and some of the games definately seem like games I would enjoy. E.g. Kingdom Hearts 2, Ultima 7 and Brave Fencer Musashi.
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