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« on: March 08, 2011, 02:43:21 PM »

...because you're foolish and lack life experience. At least that's what some Republicans think:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.html

Now, this upsets me for a few reasons. The first being that I grew up in New Hampshire. The state motto is "Live Free or Die" for fuck's sake.

Second, it really just eliminates the college vote altogether. Why? Because classes are still scheduled on election day meaning most students wouldn't be able to travel to their respective towns to cast their vote. The end of same day registration is also dumb since most college students don't have a lot of reasons to go to the town clerk's office.

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However, it's not just NH that's moving to restrict college students. Other states don't want to allow anyone using a school ID to vote. This does nothing to prevent fraud, as some backers have claimed. Basically, if you pay taxes in any way shape or form and live in a state more than six months, that is the state in which you should vote.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2011, 02:53:17 PM »

Or just that youngsters tend to be more liberal than adults who tend to be more conservative.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2011, 03:08:50 PM »

Interesting.... though you gotta admire the "conservative agenda" against liberal students.

I agree only insofar I know too many people who either...
a) don't vote anyways
b) vote for who mommy and daddy do

Rarely I find people that interested in politics to the same extent.  Granted, "college" age is vague, that start from 18 to 26 or higher. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2011, 03:18:19 PM »

Clearly anyone who doesn't vote for Republicans is foolish and shouldn't be allowed to vote!

Second, it really just eliminates the college vote altogether. Why? Because classes are still scheduled on election day meaning most students wouldn't be able to travel to their respective towns to cast their vote.

As disgusting as I think the proposed legislation is, that really isn't true.  I kept my voter registration in my home town when I was going to college and just voted by mail-in ballot.  Heck, some states have gotten rid of polling centers and moved entirely to mail-in ballots.  It's a heck of a lot more convenient.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 03:20:06 PM »

It's true that mail-in ballots do get used quite often. However, given how prone they are to fraud or getting lost, the option of going to a local polling center should always be available.

Also, that bit was referring specifically to NH legislation. While they could still mail their ballots in, they wouldn't be allowed to cast a ballot at a local polling station if their parents weren't residents of the town.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 04:22:49 PM »

I think perhaps raising the legal voting age to 21 might not be a bad idea, but it's discrimination to single out college students in my opinion.  Hell, the law as it stands states you don't have enough common sense to consume beer responsibly, but you can help determine the fate of the country? There is a contradiction there.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 04:50:30 PM »

I live in Ohio so I kind of gave up on voting. No matter who you vote for here, you lose.



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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 05:16:43 PM »

I feel that way about New York too.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 05:40:32 PM »

I've always been in the camp that the people who follow politics closely are the ones who usually vote.  College students who don't really care probably won't take the time to register.  I think finding where you stand on the political spectrum is tough.  I just remember when I was in college, most of the students who voted were highly passionate about where they stood on the issues. 

I do remember, however, people trying to convince college students to vote for a stupid agenda like voting against the bars all going from 19 to enter to 21 years old.  Shows where the priorities are...(since almost all the students they recruited probably would have never voted otherwise).

You know this sorta mirrors the issue of 16 years old being ready to drive and whether that age should be raised...what age do we stamp for responsibility? 
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2011, 12:56:04 PM »

For me, that starts when you're legally considered an adult.

It'd be great if every voter did research and made sure they clearly understood the issues before heading to the polls, but once you start policing that you no longer have free elections.

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 01:01:05 PM »

Suddenly I recall an American history class I was enrolled in during the 2000 presidential elections.  It was right after it all ended, during all that hanging chad bullshit and whatnot, and we were discussing the unique nature of how that was all playing out.  All of a sudden, this idiot girl decides to say "I voted for Bush because I thought he was better looking than Al Gore!"

The professor facepalmed so hard that I thought he had actually injured himself.

I'm not opposed to college students voting, but I am 100% against stupid people having the option.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 01:27:11 PM »

People tend to take the path of least resistance.

Trying to carefully consider all of the factors in play on any issue is very, very hard. It's much easier to either not vote or simply do whatever your political party, favorite pundit, or church leader tell you to do.

I believe it was Socrates who said that the man who thinks he knows a thing proves himself a fool.

Then again Socrates also thought the written word was a bad thing.

See? It's hard.
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 04:51:36 PM »

Also:

1. Do you vote on the guy who you think will further the issues you care about?

or

2. Do you vote on the guy who you think will be the best leader?

Furthermore:

Maybe this is cynicism but I really consider America ungovernable at this point and I'm not sure voting is going to be a valuable activity until that changes.

For instance, in a rational democratic society, if you do not like how the country is being run you vote for someone else during an election. If this was how America worked, voting would be an awesome idea.

America actually works completely different, though. Basically you get two parties with completely, as they see it, irreconcilable differences, meanwhile you get anarcho-libertarian and secessionist parties forming because of some perceived vague potential for the president to enact programs which someone told them were akin to socialism, and also the president isn't an American citizen and will kill us all by eating kobe beef.

Basically every section on the ballot just needs to contain a box that says "FUCK" which you can check off instead of voting for an actual candidate because this is totally how I feel.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 05:21:04 PM »

Bottom line is, if you can be eligible for selective service, you get a vote, end of story.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2011, 01:03:32 AM »

If younger people aren't "smart enough" to vote, why not try improving our educational system so that they are?

There are just too many stupid politicians, and it definitely has something to do with our countries education.
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