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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #120 on: May 03, 2011, 06:59:13 PM »
Another Tsundere, Luca from ArTone2 was at least cheerful and sweet before the hard-hitting emotions started to pent up.

How in the hell is Luca a tsundere?!  She starts out completely dere, and only later do you find out that she has some serious issues to deal with.  If Luca is a tsundere then the term has truly lost all meaning...


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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2011, 07:17:31 PM »
I don't know if she was in the list or not (I couldn't read due to how spoilerific it was), but I think Yuna and Lulu from FFX were really great female leads. They were both strong without just filling male roles, and Lulu even acted as a mother. Although knowing the FF series, something at the end probably changed that.
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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #122 on: May 03, 2011, 07:21:58 PM »
i think Luca for AT2 is closer to yandere.

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #123 on: May 03, 2011, 07:26:17 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere Basically, it's a tough girl with a soft side, whose shell you have to crack.  

A lot of love-adventure and dating sim fans are ga-ga over tsunderes.  They seem to hold some kind of "moe" appeal.  I'm not a big fan of that archetype, but whenever I play a love-adventure on "auto-pilot" I always seem to get the good ending with the tsundere first.  

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #124 on: May 03, 2011, 07:33:09 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere Basically, it's a tough girl with a soft side, whose shell you have to crack. 
A lot of love-adventure and dating sim fans are ga-ga over tsunderes.  They seem to hold some kind of "moe" appeal.  I'm not a big fan of that archetype, but whenever I play a love-adventure on "auto-pilot" I always seem to get the good ending with the tsundere first.
i think Luca for AT2 is closer to yandere.
How in the hell is Luca a tsundere?!  She starts out completely dere, and only later do you find out that she has some serious issues to deal with.  If Luca is a tsundere then the term has truly lost all meaning...

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #125 on: May 03, 2011, 07:37:15 PM »
thats Tsundere nerd to you! being called a nerd is like a badge of honor THANKS!

just in case someone doesnt know what Yandere means:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere
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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #126 on: May 03, 2011, 09:22:42 PM »
Another Tsundere, Luca from ArTone2 was at least cheerful and sweet before the hard-hitting emotions started to pent up.

How in the hell is Luca a tsundere?!  She starts out completely dere, and only later do you find out that she has some serious issues to deal with.  If Luca is a tsundere then the term has truly lost all meaning...


Thankfully, we have documents to preserve these sorts of things; http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Tsundere

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2011, 12:13:38 AM »
Ley- Unless you're having fun, that battle isn't worth fighting.  Dude, she gave a thumbs up to Shion and a thumbs down to Alys (see page 2.)  Now, I try to be kind, tactful, diplomatic, and exercise professional decorum, but this was one case where this scene from Billy Madison ran through my head and I called it a night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2011, 03:04:11 PM »
Fair treatment is not always equal and equal treatment is not always fair.
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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #129 on: May 04, 2011, 05:02:34 PM »
i tried to explain this before but there is an aspect of jealousy at play here on my part. i want to be strong like the guys! it has little to do if anything with a feeling of being wronged.

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #130 on: May 04, 2011, 05:28:23 PM »
i want to be strong like the guys!

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #131 on: May 04, 2011, 06:33:24 PM »
i want to be strong like the guys!

Then grow a penis, AND QUIT MENSTRATING!

You spelled that incorrectly, I am offended.  How dare you now acknowledge our biology correctly, but you'd never MISSPELL BOOBS would you??!!!  You're just a male chauvinistic PIG!!

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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #132 on: May 04, 2011, 10:20:25 PM »
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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #133 on: May 05, 2011, 12:19:35 AM »
Back to Wild Arms female leads:

I have to agree with those that found Virginia to be weak. I was pretty unimpressed with how they handled her. There's some weird hypocracy in her character model that just doesn't add up. Other characters tend to treat her as a strong leader, but I found myself thinking she was uncharasmatic and indecisive. She just didn't have very strong leadership skills, yet all the other characters follow her lead as if she does. I just didn't buy it. Not to mention, I do think she falls into the same problem as many female characters do, where as they develop, they become less emotionally strong. When you first meet her, she's a badass vigilante, but as the game progresses, she's prone to devolving into sorrowfull Daddy's Girl. I'm not saying that it isn't realistic for a character to become emotional over personal events like that, but it's possible to have a character show emotion without becoming weaker.
In my view, Virginia was never meant to be the "badass vigilante" in the story.  That's Maya's job.  :P  Virginia was more the passionate, yet exceptionally naive, heroine wannabe with daddy issues, who makes her mistakes and learns her lessons and manages to stick to her guns without having to do a complete 180.  Oddly enough, I never considered that a weakness.  Not every heroine needs to become the next "Rambo".  I like the type of character who sticks to their core beliefs and outlook in life.  Call me weird.

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...is dead due to her body finally breaking down by the epilogue after having given birth to Arnaud's daughter...it's sad that happens to one of the cooler characters in the game.  I have to agree about the writing, it is probably my least favorite of the series.
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Re: The Best (and Worst) Female Protagonists
« Reply #134 on: May 05, 2011, 12:28:45 AM »
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Raquel's ending is fitting for her character, IIRC, she was traveling to find something of immense beauty before her death. In the end it turned out to be her daughter and simple life with Arnaud until the end.[/URL]