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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2011, 06:21:25 PM »
Well, in some games it makes total sense for battles to remain random, like Pokemon for example.

I don't believe that seeing enemies on the map is that much big of an improvement, but I do appreciate this.

Really, the thing that bugs me is the slowdown it adds to the game due to the setup, which is present in most RPGs regardless of its battle system.

I hated Pokemon random battles - there were way too many, and they loved attacking me in the *last* patch of grass before I was free.  x(

I hate random battles, I'd rather see what I'm getting into.

Then use a repel. I mean, Pokemon is unique because you need to explore and do random battles to catch things, but the game also gives you a way to turn them off.
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2011, 11:11:04 AM »
(like to savepoints, another feature that needs to die)

This is one I largely agreed with about 5-10 years ago, for handheld titles anyway, but it looks the other popular alternative is an automatic single save, so you don't get a good handle on how far you'll be set back if you decided to exit the game. If that's what I have to look forward to, then please keep save points.

There's also the angle of avoiding some glitches, but they could use a system similar to Tales of Eternia for that where you had load crystals that your game would restart from when you load a save, but you can perform the save anywhere.

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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2011, 11:14:35 AM »
Random battles aren't too bad, just so long as they aren't every three steps you take.


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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2011, 11:21:04 AM »
Actually something else: the automatic saving DOES work fine for some games, namely linear shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Call of Duty, though I'd still prefer some more control there. For games that get more non-linear or at least have more character building however like Shadow Complex and especially Costume Quest it gets frustrating, I don't want to HAVE to complete(/accept?) a quest in CQ just to save my damn game!

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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2011, 11:39:42 AM »
I don't have a big problem with save points, especially if they make them useful like in FFX where it healed all of your HP/MP completely in addition to the save.
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2011, 12:10:18 PM »
I think save points are great and should not be done away with. I think Saga Frontier 2, Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter, and Final Fantasy XIII all made excellent usage of save points. The problem with the save anywhere anytime system of, say, Bethesda games is that you can save yourself into a trap that you can't get out of or is incredibly annoying to get out of much more easily. Also, restricting where you can save increases the challenge of games, which I think is a good thing. But really it depends on the style of game you're playing. I'm actually rather dismayed how so many people think should be only one way to do battles or save points. Certainly some ways are better than others, but depending on the context of the rest of the game there are many options. Random battles or nearly random battles still have a place in gaming, even if that place is dwindling.

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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2011, 03:23:09 PM »
I'm actually rather dismayed how so many people think should be only one way to do battles or save points.

Part of why I said largely agree earlier. Even before automated saving started to become the norm I could easily see certain types of games being better for save points, and that it's one of the safest ways to ensure the saves are safe. That, and it serves as a warning for boss battles, but that can easily be broadcasted to the player in other ways like MegaTen does.

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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2011, 12:42:20 PM »
This just occurred to me. Are there any RPGs that implement a use of part random battles part seeing the enemy on the field and choosing to fight it? Because I'm thinking a pretty nice mixture would be like, for the world map, enemies can be seen and then it's up to the player to fight it or not. But, say for dungeons or whatever, random battles would be put into place. That way there's a breather from constant battling, but at the same time there's at least random battles for parts of the game so when it comes time to face a boss, the player isn't way underleveled by deciding to bypass everything.

Do you think that sort of system would work or ultimately be a failure? And if there are RPGs that utilize that system already, can anyone name drop so I can try out these RPGs?
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2011, 12:57:52 PM »
This just occurred to me. Are there any RPGs that implement a use of part random battles part seeing the enemy on the field and choosing to fight it? Because I'm thinking a pretty nice mixture would be like, for the world map, enemies can be seen and then it's up to the player to fight it or not. But, say for dungeons or whatever, random battles would be put into place. That way there's a breather from constant battling, but at the same time there's at least random battles for parts of the game so when it comes time to face a boss, the player isn't way underleveled by deciding to bypass everything.

Lufia II does this, but the other way round - random encounters on the world map with visible enemies in dungeons.

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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2011, 01:06:08 PM »
These days I won't even bother playing an RPG if it has random battles. That doesn't mean I think they should go, because there are clearly people who still enjoy them. I'm just not one of them.
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2011, 01:26:40 PM »
It depends on how its implemented, constant random battles are a pain in the ass, but done right they can be fairly painless.
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2011, 01:33:56 PM »
I like the way the Ar Tonelico series does them. There are a limited number of random encounters in an area, and when the bar is empty, you can explore the area without having to worry about them.

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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2011, 01:46:57 PM »
Wild Arms does them fairly well. Depending on which game you play its a little different, weather its being warned a battle is approaching or cleansing a save point to turn them off entirely. Suikoden also does it well. A simple rune that ignores all battles that the game deems to simple for your party. Replacing "run away" with "let go", little things but they make random encounters all that much less annoying.
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2011, 06:01:23 PM »
the 'run away" feature is one that annoys me, that is it annoys me when it only provides me with a chance of escaping, or perhaps I'll get the shit kicked out of me for one turn and then escape. I hate that, either let me have the function and actually escape or don't provide it as a "possible" option. mini rant over.
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Re: Should Random Battles Be Done Away With?
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2011, 06:16:57 PM »
part of my FF12 love is from no random battles and no interruption from a battle transition. I can run away from enemy just by running away, I can pick what enemies I want to fight and avoid others, and I can run back to a save point easily without worry about being bogged down by an endless tide of random battles.

Random battles have been outdated for me since Chrono Trigger.