Games are now officially recognized by the U.S. Government as art

[Azrael]

I still think this is potentially awesome news. Sure their is potential for crap but there is also potential for good things coming out of this. It's a matter of waiting to see how it plays out.

I believe that the subjectivity of art was never up for debate. Because the beauty of art is that it is subjective, open to interpretation. To say that something is factually art trivializes the whole concept behind it. There is no universal scale in determining the artistic value of any thing or any medium it's all based on opinions and perceptions there are no facts to it. Without the subjectivity art wouldn't exist.

Yeah I can't agree with this statement and I don't think many artists would. But that's a discussion for another topic and one I don't think is entirely worth getting in to.

[Vanguard]

Can we please make a "What is art anyway" topic and spend thirty pages arguing about it until someone photocopies a piece of construction paper posts it calls it art and gets the thread locked?

[Azrael]

I think your signature is enough to win the topic. There is nothing subjective about a dual dicked Whitman kicking some ass. 

[Starmongoose]

Bye-bye games that are fun to play, hello endless stream of terrible, overly verbose 'adventure' 'games' and clunky sadlets.

LET'S MAKE A PRIDE AND PREJUDICE METROIDVANia wait shit no that would actually be awesome.

Like we don't have them already.

Doesn't this mean games are protected under the First Amendment now? I must admit I am not really hip with that whole barrel of monkeys.

[Demon_Princess_Kay]

This isn't hentai, it's art!

Hey, I'm not the first person to mention hentai on this thread. Also hate to break to it to you, but I don't and never will consider hentai any form of art. Anything that's used primarily as a masturbatory aid isn't art to me. It's just that a masturbatory aid, fingering or fap material nothing more. Hentai/porn are the lowest forms of entertainment and I realize that. Sure some hentai might have some good artists, but all artistic value is lost cause of the purpose it's used for.

[Azrael]

Doesn't this mean games are protected under the First Amendment now? I must admit I am not really hip with that whole barrel of monkeys.

Games were always protected under the first amendment. This offers video game related things access to the services of the NEA.

[Tooker]

This isn't hentai, it's art!

Hey, I'm not the first person to mention hentai on this thread. Also hate to break to it to you, but I don't and never will consider hentai any form of art. Anything that's used primarily as a masturbatory aid isn't art to me. It's just that a masturbatory aid, fingering or fap material nothing more. Hentai/porn are the lowest forms of entertainment and I realize that. Sure some hentai might have some good artists, but all artistic value is lost cause of the purpose it's used for.

In a sense, I'd like to argue with you, just because you say "all," but I think that's the official definition they go by.  If it's intended as material for the spank bank, it's not officially art.

I guess what makes me unsure on the "all" bit is that I'm not sure where any lines go between anime and hentai.  Can anime still be for grown ups and have sex in it?  Or does the presence of sex make it hentai, even if that's not really the focus of the show?

[Demon_Princess_Kay]

This isn't hentai, it's art!

Hey, I'm not the first person to mention hentai on this thread. Also hate to break to it to you, but I don't and never will consider hentai any form of art. Anything that's used primarily as a masturbatory aid isn't art to me. It's just that a masturbatory aid, fingering or fap material nothing more. Hentai/porn are the lowest forms of entertainment and I realize that. Sure some hentai might have some good artists, but all artistic value is lost cause of the purpose it's used for.

In a sense, I'd like to argue with you, just because you say "all," but I think that's the official definition they go by.  If it's intended as material for the spank bank, it's not officially art.

I guess what makes me unsure on the "all" bit is that I'm not sure where any lines go between anime and hentai.  Can anime still be for grown ups and have sex in it?  Or does the presence of sex make it hentai, even if that's not really the focus of the show?

Well if it's primary focus is to be a masturbatory aid then I wouldn't consider it art, but if it's an anime with sex as something like fanservice then yeah it can be art. I guess not all hentai is like this even really. Some H-games I've played I'd consider art. Yume Miru Kusuri, in particular that game despite being classified as hentai managed to tug at my heartstrings, it had a great story and I honestly thought the sex scenes were mostly unnecessary. However it if its only purpose is to pander to our sexual desires then it's not art. If it manages to do as well as other things then yeah It can be.

[Vanguard]

I think that distinction has to do with intention. A good analogy is film. Sex scenes in porn films are very different than ones in movies that have sex scenes in them. Even a film like Sex and Lucia, which has very graphic moments, does not cross the same lines that hardcore pornography does.

[Sagacious-T]

lol @ governments deciding what is art